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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.02 14:06:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
EVE is in no danger to change its course, frankly. CCP is already doing the right thing (in their view) and it's a matter of life or death to them, so there is no way they will change it.
Of course, I think that they're wrong and should do otherwise, but that just puts me in a large club of armchair game designers...
Whatever the future brings, I will be missing Jester's Trek and Ripard Teg's voice on it.
While I disagree with much you apparently believe (I won't be missing that Ripard guy at all), at least you have the sense to admit some very pertinent things that most other people would have lied about.
Like how EVE is business to CCP (a business they have preserved for for longer than very many others in the same business) and about how you are not a game designer (many many others, including Ripard, do act like they think they know how to design a game).
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:32:00 -
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I've never read much of the man's blog, just bits here and there when someone would link it. I had no strong feelings one way or another about the poster even after the Erotica1 affair. But now going back and reading what he wrote I get why some people are sayign they won't miss him lol.
One thing he said in that 'final' that always amuses me when i see it, the whole "nostalgia" reaction people have: Quote:Four years ago, EVE players were very much "Us against the world! Woo!" Now we've learned the rest of the world doesn't care and it's become "Us against each other."
Four years ago EVE players were every bit at each others throats as they are now. Hell, if anything, EVE Online is a kinder/gentler place that it's ever been. I see a lot of people saying things like this (ie "when i started playing there wasn't all that much scamming or suicide ganking" and "back in the day you could get a solo pvp fight easy, now solo pvp is dead").
It's not just a game thing. It's just how people are. There is something about aging that makes people forget that in many cases, the past was as crappy as (or crappier than) the present.
I'll be 40 in a few weeks and I met up with some old high school classmates at a bar not long ago. Most of us we Class of '92 but there were some '91s and '93s there too (my high schools alumni association hosts get togethers like this). The 2nd most notable thing about those get togethers is how much talk there is about how great things were back then and how crappy they are now.
( I say 2nd because the 1st most notable thing to experience there is the combined detrimental effects of 22 years time + having kids + getting divorce on what was a group of hot 1992 cheerleaders....... Funny how things go, 22 years ago those 'girls' wouldn't give me the time of day and now their acting like I'm Brad feaking Pitt lol , But I digress).
I stopped going because i was tired of arguing lol. I remember how badly we all wanted to be out of there, how hard it was going to college and getting jobs, even how dangerous it was (ours wasn't the nicest area to grow up in). But 22 years later they are convinced that we lived in some golden age and things (mainly 'young people') are just worse now, despite all the indications that things are better (lower crime and fewer people dying in violent crime in our neighborhoods, lower teen pregnancy rates, fewer people going to prision, more people going to college etc etc).
Many times people don't realize that their perceptions can be and many times are flawed and depend on factors not completely under our control , like aging , like our experiences, so forth and so on. Ripard Teg strikes me as one of these types. He thinks the game or community changed when the more likely event is that his perceptions of things have changed and he's noticing things now that didn't even register in the past.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:16:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line?
What I saw was a group of grown men playing an online game and talking to each other over the internet. Just like 'cyber-bullying' is BS (as someone who experienced a relatively minor amount of real bullying as a kid in the 1980s, I know for a fact grown folks can't be bullied over something you can turn off at will) , so was CCP's response to this event.
What CCP should have down was said "meh, life is harsh, don't like it don't come here" (consistent with their actions in the past) and let that be the end of it. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment.
Good thing harassment is impossible in this setting. I arrest people for harassment, you obviously don't know what that word means.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:21:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
Or perhaps the perfect **** storm happened BECAUSE it was out of line even within EVE's settings, not because someone made a blog out of it?
Not logical? No?
How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? What I saw was a group of grown men playing an online game and talking to each other over the internet. Just like 'cyber-bullying' is BS (as someone who experienced a relatively minor amount of real bullying as a kid in the 1980s, I know for a fact grown folks can't be bullied over something you can turn off at will) , so was CCP's response to this event. What CCP should have down was said "meh, life is harsh, don't like it don't come here" (consistent with their actions in the past) and let that be the end of it. No, the GAME is harsh, that's the difference.
And playing the game is a life choice. If you can't handle it, why choose to play in it? Why choose to download teamspeak if you get upset at words?
Or does actually knowing yourself and acting accordingly require too much personal responsibility for you types?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:How can doing something EVE is famous for and that CCP has actively encouraged (or did we all just imagine all that talk of Tears and 'htfu' coming from CCP) possibly be out of line? EVE has never actively encouraged harassment. Good thing harassment is impossible in this setting. I arrest people for harassment, you obviously don't know what that word means. You would arrest for specific forms that you can easily identify and document. Don't make the mistake of thinking that this makes you qualified to determine that something definitively isn't harassment, merely that it makes you qualified to determine that something warrants an arrest.
Proving that you don't know what you are talking about.
I get it, you don't like this erotica1 person for whatever reason. That doesn't change the very simple facts of the matter. Grown men. internet. Choices and responsibility. And the fact that the 'victim' disagrees with your assessment of the event in question.
You have every right to be wrong about it (and you are, again seemingly because of personal dislike), I simply don't understand why you'd choose to be.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything.
Never said that. i said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Proving that you don't know what you are talking about. Because being a cop makes you an authority on everything. Never said that. I said you don't know what harassment is. You've proven this yourself. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassmentQuote:harassment n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.
So now you can't read English.
I bolded the part you missed. Just like in the real world, a one time ill advised sex joke at work isn't 'sexual harassment' without showing a pattern of similar activity directed at the same person (or affecting the same person even if that person isn't the target), what happened in the event in question CANNOT be harassment since it happened once.
Thank you for again proving what I said right: you don't know what you are talking about. Your use of the word harassment is wrong even according to the source you just quoted. you have every right to continue playing the fool , but it's getting silly. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: the "systematic and/or continued" part invalidates any of the bolded areas.
there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room.
Darn you for saying it 1st lol.
I imagine that what you will now get from James is some variation of this .
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the "systematic and/or continued" part invalidates any of the bolded areas.
there was nothing systematic or continued about what E1 did, it was a single bonus room.
Darn you for saying it 1st lol. I imagine that what you will now get from James is some variation of this . That's really tempting and emotionally it's what I want to do in arguments like this but I try to be more open than that. So you get the above message.
Damnit To Hell with you and your reasonableness, come back here and argue till someone pulls the plug on the internet damn it.
GRRR........
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. nobody is being mean. the absence of people fawning doesn't mean that everyone is being mean. In fairness, I am definitely being mean. I think the man is a dishonest, despicable piece of dirt, and his constituents, such as they are, have more in common with a sock with buttons sown on it than actual thinking, reasoning beings.
I wish you'd stop holding back so much and tell us how you really feel!

Oh and +1
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:41:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Altrue wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people being mean, these articles were very nice!
7o Ripard, thank you for making the blog I red the most in 2013-14. Seriously. As if all other bloggers are filled with The Truth. Honestly, they almost all have their own selfish, personal "agendas". But where are the complaints about them ???
Other bloggers have nothing to do with this. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:26:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:No. Wait. Just because he said he said he said doesn't mean he said what we think he said he said. I for one think everyone should say what they say they say, instead of parading themselves about pretending they said something entirely different. Lord knows there's enough intrusion on our internet rights to say whatever bovine scatology comes into our heads, and gee, me without my mother to make me go out and mow the yard or something productive like that, I might find myself sitting at a keyboard with an overwhelming sense of self-importance that rivals that of Alexander the Great and Napoleon combined, ranting on about things I have no clue about oblivious to the fact that the mere activity of this is equivalent to digital nail-biting on a scale that would make the entire neurosis ward of a state hospital enviable just from the sheer magnitude of the content.
Aside from that set of very simple and easy to understand facts, it must be further stated that stating things further in an endless cycle of textual blizzardry that makes the internet groan under the weight of the bandwidth which must be marshaled to accommodate it has to bring me, somehow, into the light of the great collective of internet history and lore - so much so that I may find myself with a compilation of my posts in a permanent "legends of generating content" exhibit in the first credible internet museum that doesn't require an ID check, credit card number and anti-viral package just to access.
My hope for the future lies in, considering all the electronic angles afforded by unbridled computer engineers plying their trade from within masses of basements of huge, glass and steel buildings dotting the globe like some sort of inefficient bird dung spill, the mere fact that with a keyboard, an appliance even an illiterate chimpanzee can purchase from a local store, and an electrical connection that is probably way too much a month for me to pay for since I refuse to work and blame it on the government, (thanks mom) with her cable hookup guaranteed to exist due to a cultural addiction to inane streams of pixels with laugh tracks attached, I can sit here and type the most idiotic things that leap to mind and because they appear in this very neat format on some website someone created using methods of which I have only a mythological understanding bordering on a pagan religion and it makes me seem SO very important.
Gawd dayum, and I thought I had to much time on my hands... |
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